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Re: EricbSC 1973 05 Eagle
Sat Nov 03, 2012 5:10 pm


Well, it took two days to get the old arms off, a week to get parts, and eight hours, but I have one side done( I think!!). I made a fixture to hold a lazer bore sight for a rifle, then mounted it on a small tripod at the wheel centerline height. I then adjusted until I had the same measurement the full length of the bus. Worked pretty good! The bogie is NOT an exact thing. The shims are tapered and are only available in a few thickness. Also, as the bus goes down the road, the tires are pulled out due to the arm being in front. If the inside bushings are worn this will be worse. My drivers bogie tire is worn almost 75% in 16k miles. The others are almost full tread. The passenger side is nowhere near as far out. Best I could determine, it was toed out about 3/8-7/16 of an inch not counting the pull factor. I took all of that into account when I went back I took Jeffersons advice and erred on the toe-in side.

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Driver side done and ready for drum:
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Re: EricbSC 1973 05 Eagle
Tue Nov 13, 2012 12:04 pm


Finally got everything back together. I had a guy with a calibrated set of state scales come by today. He carries four of the thin 10k scales. We weighed each axle and tire. I was pleased wit the results from my northern tool jack with the gage.

Drivers side Pass. side

Front 5400 5900

Bogie 4400 4200 (exactly what I had)

Drive 9300 8600

My generator is on the drivers side middle bay. This would add a little to that side. I was also a little suprised at the overall weight. I weighed last year at a truck stop and got a weight of app. 41,300 lbs. With the state certified scales it comes in at 37,800. A dif. of 3500 lbs. I may have had a motorcyle behind but can't remember. While I was reindexing the bogies I noticed that the drivers side came slightly off the jack when I adjusted the splines. My thought was that that rear was lighter as the other side didn't raise up. That was opp. of my thinking?? On now to check the rear axle alignment, then for a drive.
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Re: EricbSC 1973 05 Eagle
Tue Nov 13, 2012 1:50 pm


Eric, with the front drivers at 5400 it will even out to the Pass side when you sit in the drivers seat !!! :lol: :lol:
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Re: EricbSC 1973 05 Eagle
Thu Nov 15, 2012 9:48 am


Thank You ERIC, For All This Great Information.

I Also Am In The Slow Prosess Of Re-Indexing My Bogies. Mine Were Bearly Touching The Ground :shock: (2500).

Looks Like You Are Doing A Super Job ! :P Looking Forward To The End Results Of Your Road Test.

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Re: EricbSC 1973 05 Eagle
Thu Nov 22, 2012 12:21 pm


Went for a drive this week. The bus drives great!! It has improved with every change. The eagle drive is a combination of a lot of little things. I changed the following over a peroid of a couple years:

1. All new tie rods and ends.
2. Front spindles,hubs hor. and vert. king pins to a model 15.
3. New upper torsalastic mounts.
4. New steering box to a tas 65.
5. New steering colum for tilt tele.

These improved the steering greatly. Then when I put the 60 series in I removed the entire rear axle and replaced it with a model ten. Somewhere down the road the PO had actually hung the rear on something, and snaped the adjustment rod. I replaced all the inserts in the rods with new delrin inserts, then realigned the axle. The driving at that point was easy, but it had a slight wander. When I checked the bogies, I found that the drivers side was toed out about 7/16", and the passenger about 3/16". That had the entire thing fighting against its self. I think for around $$$10k you can make one of these things drive like a new car!!!!!LOL
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Re: EricbSC 1973 05 Eagle
Fri Nov 23, 2012 12:12 pm


Eric, Great Job !!!

I Am Doing My Boggies Right Now :o :o
Wow !! What A Job So Far :shock:
Just Getting The Two Pinch Bolts Out Has Been A Real Challenge. :oops: I Have Invested Three 30 Packs Into This Project So Far.. :lol: :lol:

Its Almost Hard To Believe How Tough Those Bolts Are !!!

I Want To SCREAM !!!!!

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Re: EricbSC 1973 05 Eagle
Fri Nov 23, 2012 3:53 pm


I had the option of destroying mine because I was replacing them!!LOL I ended up using a cut-off wheel on the bolts. I cut them in the slot. I used a 1" air wrench (yep, the big one you use on lug nuts) with a lot of Kroil penatrating oil on the top half. I ended up using a torch on the bottom half. I cut into the end of the arm till I saw the bolt. Then me, a 12 lb. hammer, and a quart of spring water hammered ir out!! Took me about nine hours for both sides!!
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Re: EricbSC 1973 05 Eagle
Fri Nov 23, 2012 4:37 pm


So a quart of Spring water !! You mean 1 hour of work and 8 hours
passed out !! :lol: :lol:
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Re: EricbSC 1973 05 Eagle
Sat Nov 24, 2012 5:26 am


Must have been some of UNCLE NEDS spring water....LOL
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Re: EricbSC 1973 05 Eagle
Sat Dec 08, 2012 10:58 am


After I finished, I ran up on these!! They were NJT scales from an era gone by when they ran eagles. Six scales, two controlers, all in nice sustom made aluminum shipping boxes. I just had everything weighed by the state after reindexing the bogies. I compared the two. Within 200 lbs. total.I have filled up wth fuel since so that probably is the diff. I no have the handy 8 ton jack with gage that becomes my surplus if any one is interested. It was dead on after I weighed with the state.

Controllers. Two on the front, and four on the back.

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Jack with scale. P.M. if interested:

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